{"id":2037,"date":"2018-03-30T11:03:04","date_gmt":"2018-03-30T09:03:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/?p=2037"},"modified":"2020-02-25T11:04:19","modified_gmt":"2020-02-25T10:04:19","slug":"abandon-de-la-reference-au-compte-641","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/2018\/03\/30\/abandon-de-la-reference-au-compte-641\/","title":{"rendered":"Budget du CE : abandon de la r\u00e9f\u00e9rence au compte 641"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row css=\u00a0\u00bb.vc_custom_1452687555475{margin-bottom: 100px !important;}\u00a0\u00bb][vc_column offset=\u00a0\u00bbvc_col-lg-9 vc_col-md-9&Prime; css=\u00a0\u00bb.vc_custom_1452702342137{padding-right: 45px !important;}\u00a0\u00bb][vc_custom_heading source=\u00a0\u00bbpost_title\u00a0\u00bb use_theme_fonts=\u00a0\u00bbyes\u00a0\u00bb el_class=\u00a0\u00bbno_stripe\u00a0\u00bb][stm_post_details][vc_column_text css=\u00a0\u00bb.vc_custom_1523007493180{margin-bottom: 20px !important;}\u00a0\u00bb]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b>Par deux arr\u00eats du 7 f\u00e9vrier 2018, la chambre sociale de la Cour de cassation met un terme \u00e0 sa position imposant le compte 641 comme assiette du calcul de la subvention de fonctionnement et du budget des activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles des comit\u00e9s d\u2019entreprise.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><i>\u00ab\u00a0Attendu que l&rsquo;\u00e9volution de la jurisprudence, qui a exclu de l&rsquo;assiette de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence du calcul de la subvention de fonctionnement et de la contribution aux activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles diverses sommes figurant au compte 641 mais n&rsquo;ayant pas la nature juridique de salaires, conduit \u00e0 priver de pertinence le recours \u00e0 ce compte pour la mise en \u0153uvre des dispositions des articles L. 2325-43 et L. 2323-86 du code du travail\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0 <\/i><b><i>Cass. soc., 7-2-18, n\u00b0 16-24231 et n\u00b0 16-16086<\/i><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Face \u00e0 l\u2019abondance de contentieux, source d\u2019ins\u00e9curit\u00e9 juridique et au nombre croissant d\u2019exceptions faites au compte 641, la Cour de cassation a jug\u00e9 n\u00e9cessaire de revoir en profondeur la mani\u00e8re de calculer la masse\u00a0 salariale servant de base de calcul au budget de fonctionnement du CE et \u00e0 celui des activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles. Elle se r\u00e9f\u00e8re d\u00e9sormais \u00e0 la notion de \u00ab gains et r\u00e9mun\u00e9rations soumis \u00e0 cotisations de s\u00e9curit\u00e9\u00a0 sociale\u00a0\u00bb.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><i>\u00ab Sauf engagement plus favorable, la masse salariale servant au calcul de la subvention de fonctionnement comme de la contribution aux activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles, s\u2019entend de la masse salariale brute constitu\u00e9e par l\u2019ensemble des gains et r\u00e9mun\u00e9rations soumis \u00e0 cotisations de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale en application de l\u2019article L. 242-1 du code de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale \u00bb. <\/i><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b><i>Cass. soc., 7-2-18, n\u00b0 16-24231 et n\u00b0 16-16086<\/i><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b>Avec ce retournement de jurisprudence, la Cour de cassation applique le nouveau mode de calcul du budget CSE aux CE.<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">La masse salariale brute servant d&rsquo;assiette de calcul de la subvention de fonctionnement et au calcul de la\u00a0 contribution aux activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles du CSE est constitu\u00e9e par l&rsquo;ensemble des gains et\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 r\u00e9mun\u00e9rations soumis \u00e0 cotisations de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale en application des dispositions de l&rsquo;article L 242-1 du Code de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale ou de l&rsquo;article L 741-10 du Code rural et de la p\u00eache maritime, \u00e0 l&rsquo;exception des\u00a0 indemnit\u00e9s vers\u00e9es \u00e0 l&rsquo;occasion de la rupture du contrat de travail \u00e0 dur\u00e9e ind\u00e9termin\u00e9e (C. trav. art. L 2315-61, al. 7 et art. L 2312-83)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Cette d\u00e9finition vaut aussi pour la contribution aux activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles car les deux budgets partagent la m\u00eame assiette de calcul.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">C\u2019est ainsi que disparaissent de l\u2019assiette les indemnit\u00e9s l\u00e9gales ou conventionnelles de licenciement et la masse salariale des salari\u00e9s mis \u00e0 disposition.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Synth\u00e8se des gains et r\u00e9mun\u00e9ration composant l\u2019assiette\u00a0:<\/b><\/p>\n<table style=\"height: 925px;\" width=\"686\">\n<tbody>\n<tr style=\"height: 67px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 67px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b>\u00a0<\/b><\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 67px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b>Assiette Budget CE\u00a0 Avant revirement de la jurisprudence<\/b><\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 67px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b>Assiette Budget CE Apr\u00e8s revirement de la jurisprudence<\/b><\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 67px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><b>Assiette Budget CSE<\/b><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 26px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 26px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">R\u00e9mun\u00e9ration brute et appointement<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 26px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 26px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 26px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 56px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 56px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Indemnit\u00e9s CP y compris caisse de CP<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 80px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 80px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Primes et gratifications, y compris indemnit\u00e9s de stage<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 56px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 56px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Indemnit\u00e9s et avantages divers<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 56px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 56px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Suppl\u00e9ment familial<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 56px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 56px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Remboursement de frais<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 80px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 80px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">R\u00e9mun\u00e9ration des dirigeants sociaux non-salari\u00e9s.<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 104px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 104px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Indemnit\u00e9s l\u00e9gales ou conventionnelles de licenciement, de pr\u00e9avis, de retraite, de rupture n\u00e9goci\u00e9e.<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 104px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 104px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 104px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 80px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 80px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Indemnit\u00e9s supra-l\u00e9gales ou conventionnelles de rupture du contrat de travail<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 80px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 56px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 56px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Salari\u00e9s mis \u00e0 disposition de fa\u00e7on \u00e9troite<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">OUI<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 56px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 56px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Int\u00e9ressement *<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 56px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr style=\"height: 21px;\">\n<td style=\"width: 294px; height: 21px;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Participation<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 132px; height: 21px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 130px; height: 21px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 102px; height: 21px; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">NON<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\"><i>* L\u2019int\u00e9ressement vers\u00e9 pouvait \u00eatre pris en compte dans certaines entreprises par le biais du compte 641<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Ce revirement de jurisprudence d\u2019application imm\u00e9diate peut avoir un impact sur vos budgets. Nous vous\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 invitons donc \u00e0 faire v\u00e9rifier les calculs par un expert-comptable pour \u00e9valuer cette baisse \u00e0 l\u2019heure o\u00f9 vos projets de d\u00e9penses pour 2018 sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 en cours d\u2019engagement.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;\">Nous vous conseillons \u00e9galement de n\u00e9gocier un engagement plus favorable \u00e0 un moment o\u00f9 vos d\u00e9penses,\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 surtout en fonctionnement, vont s\u2019accro\u00eetre.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][stm_post_bottom][stm_post_about_author][stm_post_comments][\/vc_column][vc_column width=\u00a0\u00bb1\/4&Prime; offset=\u00a0\u00bbvc_hidden-sm vc_hidden-xs\u00a0\u00bb][stm_sidebar sidebar=\u00a0\u00bb527&Prime;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Par deux arr\u00eats du 7 f\u00e9vrier 2018, la chambre sociale de la Cour de cassation met un terme \u00e0 sa position imposant le compte 641 comme assiette du calcul de la subvention de fonctionnement et du budget des activit\u00e9s sociales et culturelles des comit\u00e9s d\u2019entreprise.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2107,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[93,95],"tags":[98,97,92],"class_list":["post-2037","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-comptabilite","category-cse","tag-budget-du-ce","tag-ce","tag-comptabilite"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2037","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2037"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2037\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2166,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2037\/revisions\/2166"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/2107"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2037"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2037"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sogexcube.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2037"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}